Serena Williams is pathetic

And why is that? Well, obviously, it's because the USTA, and indeed, the entire world is racist, and hates Serena because she's black!

" well obviously the entire world, USTA is racist and hates Serena because she is black" comment is, your comment, not Serena's or her MOM. (outburst)

The poster wasn't trying to say the comment belonged to Serena or her mother. Do you believe Serena acted inappropriately?

The poster wasn't trying to say the comment belonged to Serena or her mother

What part of the posters comment is an outburst (projection) do you not understand? Serena's comments to the chair are not unreasonable.

Intent to hinder went unproven. Serena yells come on... alot. Serena seemed to believe she won the point ... she yelled c'mon. The rule is subjective. And the US Open has a history of subjective/ flat out bad calls against Serena. Tennis has instant replay because calls against Serena embarrassed the US Open and the USTA.

... two love and break point is a dubious time to evoke a subjective rule. And, yes my vote (benefit of doubt) goes to Serena. She is human. Anger is reasonable when you believe you won the point. The notion Serena and Venus were nursed on the tit of woe is me IM black is rooted in the posters imagination. A conversation non- blacks have about.... the blacks. Deny it if you must.

Intent to hinder went unproven. Serena yells come on... alot. Serena seemed to believe she won the point ... she yelled c'mon. The rule is subjective.

No, the rule is very clear, and far from subjective:

She hits a forehand, yells “Come on!’’ and then is told that the point is Stosur’s. Williams had screamed while the point was still ongoing, which is a violation of the hindrance rule. She didn’t argue that. She just wanted to play the point over, not give it to Stosur.

Those aren’t the rules.

Next time, try to get the facts straight before you post. I bet if this was a white woman, you would not have a thing to say, would you angelaisafan?

The notion Serena and Venus were nursed on the tit of woe is me IM black is rooted in the posters imagination. A conversation non- blacks have about.... the blacks. Deny it if you must.

Deny what? This family has been crying "racism" every since they hit the tennis scene! Are you high to suggest otherwise?!?

No, the rule is very clear, and far from subjective

Doha 2009

Serena vs. Svetlania

...exact circumstances ruled on by the same Chair: Eva (replay the point)

In DOHA Svetlana's reaction was to "laugh" it off, coupled with the chuckles from both Serena and Eva, (same chair) replaying the point.

At the USO Sam's reaction was to go to the other side of the court and play the next point, knowing that Serena had earned the point for the winner.

Eva's judgment was to take a point away from Serena, which is inconsistent with her judgment rule in DOHA.

Inconsistent judgement is evidence the rule is subjective. Fact: gleaned from actual enforcement of the hindrance rule.

I bet if this was a white woman, you would not have a thing to say, would you angelaisafan?

Telling me you bet my actions are race based tells me I do not have to take you seriously.

Telling me you bet my actions are race based tells me I do not have to take you seriously.

I do not care if you take me seriously or not, but your track record speaks volume about you. I took a look at your page. Facts do not lie.

Sahyder.. the call was not right in the first place..... It is not the first time that points have been given to Serena's opponent throughout the years....

French Open... ball over net hits opponent on arm and falls on opponent's side of net.... point given to opponent....

Henin V. Serena.... point given to Henin who refused to fess up that she had raised her hand...

The commentators stated that the ruling was wrong and indicated that it should have been a play over... because it was not as if Serena consciously did it to impede Stoseur.

By the way 2 years ago there was no foot fault.... and a camera shot did show that there was no foot fault.... it was amazing how that video was taken down quick time... LOL

Federer V, Del Potro (sp) if I am not mistaken...... Federer went to his seat and continued berating the ref.....

Blake V. the Aussie (can't recall his name) The Aussie accused the ref of preferential treatment towards Blake because of race.....

Roddick has berated ref in other slam events at USOpen.....

Murray misinterpret ref call and started getting annoyed.... ref simply smiles.... situation diffused..

Blake at the Olympics 2008.... quite steamed at some injustice in the officiating.... But hey Blake is supposedly a 'gentleman and inoffensive' LOL Wonder if that is why he has not won a slam event.... Hmmm

Let us not even bother to go back as far as to the Jonny Mac etc era.... I'll just say... but weren't those matches fun to watch back then.... LOL

But lets get back to Serena..... Serena did not lose her cool.... she did not scream at the ref only stated that this was not the first time this ref had awarded the point against her... which seems to be true.

There have been other instances where the point have been given to the opponent eg...Match of Serena V. Capriati amoung others comes to mind. Hmmm

Think it is not against the rules to smash up one's racket on the court? But hey..... I suppose that is ok ... .. because it is not Serena who gets fined.... LOL

Serena's view and style of tennis may not be like your view or style but she sure has the 13 Slam wins to back it up.... Let's face it.... it was because of Serena and Venus why tennis was shown in PRIME TIME..... think about that..... They changed tennis for the good...

By the way Mr Williams did what the tennis association could not do on any level... since they were still stuck into country club view/style even as viewership and participation was falling fast.... i.e. which was sell/advertise the game with his craziness (like a fox).... many people checked out the sport to see what he was talking about... LOL

His critique of Davenport helped her to get fitter and better.... fantastic final at Wimby between Venus and Davenport... wow.... total classic.

You folks may not like the Williams family... but hey the USOpen viewership increased enormously when Serena and Venus are in the mix..... and folks on these boards know that, but hate to give the complement or the recognition to these 2 young women who elevated the game to greater heights.... no matter what Cruella de mouth Carillo says in her negativity and biasness against these 2 young women....LOL

But of course the USOpen usually shoots itself in its perverbial foot with the nonsense they seem to be pulling these years... Imagine.... Serena being seeded #28 and still took out higher seeded players on the way to the final, including the #1 player... LOL

Where is that retractable roof? 2 retractable roofs at Wimby and at the Aussie O, yet none at USOpen...Why? Too cheap huh....

Considering how long the men's match was going (didn't it end after midnight or close to?)the Serena V Wozniacki semifinal match which ended waaay after midnight, should have been played on the other court as the final was the following day at around 4.30 pm resulting in a short turn around for a Slam event.... but what's new? Hoping for a Serena loss? they got what they wanted it would seem.... Hmmmm

Amazing how some Americans will bend over backwards for others..... providing the others are not their own countrymen or women.....

Eg. Vermont calling.... Our homes, businesses, roads and bridges are gone... no one hears..... or responds..

While on the other hand.. Afghanistan/Iraq calling.... we don't want you here..... Americans answer..... Oh here is couple trillion dollars and many people to build and rebuild your infrastructure.....will that help? LOL

Remember when the talk used to be about the sexyness of that other Russian player and her dating partners and who didn't even win any slam events...? Can't even recall her name ....Hmmm How sad... Only goes to prove that sex may sell, but seldom remembered....(unless it is a Trojan commercial wink wink) LOLLLLLL

The way tennis is played this past era is not like in the past..... the Williamses brought in the athleticism, the strength training etc for the sport in general and with the amping up of the speed in serve on the women's side etc as well as the serious fashion component.... let be fair about all they have done to bring the sport front and center to even the casual viewer, as well as raising the endorsement fees and the tournament purse especially for women..... Must not forget the education push by their parents as well as preparing for the future after tennis... i.e. retirement, which many players are doing now and which was not encouraged back then.....

Anyhoo... could Serena have pulled out a win? Yeah...imo... even although Stouser was really playing well.... Serena has been 1 set down and with her opponent 1 point for the win in the second set, and she has pulled it out to win the match in the past....similar to what Woz did to Svet in the quarters..... but all things considered and the fact that she was not only competing against Stouser but against the USOpen establishment and some negative fans..... to go to that level that it would have taken..... would have taken a level officiating/playing field.....imo... Hmmm LOL

Just mulling and musing....... hmmmm

Roid rage?

Drag..#2....For a country that was supposedly built on a lack of class it is amazing that so many of you folks keep referring to this or that person as having no class..... LOL

Jeff...#2.1.... your lack of originality is ......Yawn.....

Drag..#2....For a country that was supposedly built on a lack of class it is amazing that so many of you folks keep referring to this or that person as having no class..... LOL

I have never heard this before. so enlighten me, why do you consider my country classless?

When Serena and Venus hit the scene to me it was like us against the tennis world fueled by their dad Richard.

Substantiate your claim. Post evidence it was like us against the world fueled by their Dad? Informed opinion? Venus and Serena did not as you put hit the scene. Venus and Serena's level of play qualified them as professionals. Pro Tennis Players earn the right to compete on the big stage.

Black skin does not signal a shared mind set.

Fair enough.

...notion Serena and Venus were nursed on the tit of woe is me IM black is rooted in the posters imagination. A conversation non- blacks have about.... the blacks.

But non-black skin - that does signal a shared mind set?

But non-black skin - that does signal a shared mind set?

I was born with white skin. I have never been told I'M a credit / discredit to the entire white race.

I have always been viewed as a individual named by my parents and addresed as such. No one No you people or .. the whites.

I have been accused of being black. One poster devolved to lying. She said with certitude you repeatedly acknowledge you are black. Never have but it did not matter. And when she recognized she was trapped by her own deception she appealed to other posters with false we comments. Complaining she was unfairly attacked she went away feeling victimized.

I have been accused of being black.

I also assumed you were black, simply by reading the posts on your page. You seem to defend anything that is black, yet slam whites. Why is that?

I also assumed you were black, simply by reading the posts on your page. You seem to defend anything that is black, yet slam whites. Why is that?

You are rationalizing a misconceived racial assumption. Please feel free to point out the comments where I defend anything black yet slam whites. Do you believe slamming blacks and defending whites is a testament of whiteness?

Please feel free to point out the comments where I defend anything black yet slam whites

Try going to your page and look at most of your comments.

Do you believe slamming blacks and defending whites is a testament of whiteness?

I'm not the one who appears to have issues being white, that would be you.

The shot landed precisely where Serena wanted it to land. A clear winner. It's why Serena said c'mon.

Again, try to get your facts straight and not make them up. She yelled "Come on" while the other player was returning the shot; BIG difference between the facts and the fantasy scenario you're trying to create.

A clear winner

It wasn't a "winner" at all, let alone a "clear" winner. Stosur got her racket on the ball. Serena yelled before the Stosur hit the ball. You may feel that Stosur would not have been able to return the shot, irregardless if Serena yelled or not, and perhaps you are correct. You believe that Stosur wasn't distracted; I myself can't be 100% positive. I doubt if she would have been able to return it myself. But, what you and I think might have happened - that's irrelevant. According to the rule book, and the very experienced chair umpire, Serena hindered.

You are correct; consistent shrieking and grunting are common. It is distracting. But, consistent shrieking and grunting are expected and anticipated by the players. Serena herself grunts, and was grunting softly during the match. However, shouting out a very loud, vocal, and entirely unexpected, "Come On" during play, before the point has ended, is different, and not acceptable in any level of tennis competition, and all tennis players, from the youngest beginners at the local rec center, to the pros at US Open, know that.

If Roger Federer suddenly, out of nowhere, shrieked at the top of his lungs while Nadal was reaching for a ball, he'd get called for hindrance, would he not? Yes - he would.

As for the behavior after the point: Anger is a human emotion? So what? Lot's of people do things when they're angry that cannot be excused or justified. The next time I do something stupid, or hurtful, or against the rules, I'll just inform anyone who suffers from my actions that I'm human, and I was angry. Will that make it alright? Reasonable? No. Not by my way of thinking.

And fuming at the chair is common? Complaints about the calls, quality of officiating, mild fuming - sure that happens. But personal attacks ("hater", "loser", "...unattractive...") and sustained verbal abuse? That is unacceptable and there is no tacit acceptance of of personal abuse of officials by any tennis organization in the world. And of course, two wrongs don't make a right.

It wasn't a "winner" at all, let alone a "clear" winner. Stosur got her racket on the ball. Serena yelled before the Stosur hit the ball. You may feel that Stosur would not have been able to return the shot, irregardless if Serena yelled or not, and perhaps you are correct. You believe that Stosur wasn't distracted; I myself can't be 100% positive. I doubt if she would have been able to return it myself. But, what you and I think might have happened - that's irrelevant. According to the rule book, and the very experienced chair umpire, Serena hindered.

And Should Sam state she was not hindered how does the call play out in your mind? The very experienced chair in 2009 at DOHA same rule/ different call ... play the point again. The rule does not mention the very experienced chair has discretion. Are you saying the chair did not see Sam's reaction?

Certain shots are unreturnable clear winners aka ace. Serena served over fifty plus ace's over the course of the US Open Tournament. Serena paints the lines with precision. A talent few possess. Both Serena and Sam knew that shot was unreturnable. Getting a racket on it ends wth a unforced error. The ball hit the deep pocket next to the line. Serena routinely hits that spot. . I have never seen anyone return that shot. Male or Female.

And Should Sam state she was not hindered how does the call play out in your mind?

No change. What happens after the hindrance is immaterial. The actual effect upon the player who is hindered is immaterial.

The very experienced chair in 2009 at DOHA same rule/ different call ... play the point again

Didn't see that match - I'll have to watch it. Was it exactly the same situation? I dunno, was it a little bit different, did she see things differently in DOHA? Or is she inconsistent? Maybe she made a mistake in DOHA? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Are you saying the chair did not see Sam's reaction?

No, I'm not saying that. However, whether she did, or did not see Sam's reaction is again, immaterial. You can't shout out, "C'mon", while your opponent is trying to hit the ball. It's hindrance.

Both Serena and Sam knew that shot was unreturnable. Getting a racket on it ends wth a unforced error. I have never seen anyone return that shot.

I believe that is an unreasonable assumption, too big for me to make. Serena clearly thought it was unreturnable - that's why she celebrated too early. But Sam certainly attempted to return the shot. Just because Serena is an accomplished player, and you have never seen anybody return that shot does not make it fait accompli. The hindrance occurred during play, before anybody could know whether the shot was unreturnable or not. But again, whether the shot was returnable or not is immaterial. You simply cannot do that.

Didn't see that match - I'll have to watch it. Was it exactly the same situation? I dunno, was it a little bit different, did she see things differently in DOHA? Or is she inconsistent? Maybe she made a mistake in DOHA? Two wrongs don't make a right.

I said the same chair acted on the same rule with a different judgement "play the point again." You do understand the calls are different because the chair has discretion.

Serena approached the chair Eva (chair) says "it's her point"

Serena "I don't understand."

The chair "because you called out she got distracted "

Serena "maybe you should replay the point I'm not giving her the game"

chair "it's not a replay cause when you called out she went to the ball and touched the ball"

Sam is two steps from the corner where the ball drops she barely gets her racket on it. She does not appear distracted. no hand signal to the ref... nothing. Three seconds later Sam moves to the other side waiting to play the next point. A hindered distracted player is not going to move over to the other side of the court as if nothing happened.

video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XGFBP22EMM&NR=1

Making it up is reflected in your comment.

I saw the play in question; did you? It appears since neither of us are tennis judges, you're the one trying to make something reflect favorably on Serena when she was clearly in the wrong.

Sam immediatly moved to the other side of the court ready for the next shot. Sam was completely immersed in her game. Serena screech c'mon did not appear to hinder Sam.

Irrelevant. Serena unexpectedly yelled "Come On" (not a screech, not a grunt) before Sam had a chance to play the ball. Hindrance.

Even if a player has the opportunity to put away an easy overhead smash for a winner, and then does so, blasting the ball out of reach into the stands, that player cannot scream out "Come On", or "Yes!", or ANYTHING - until the point is over. Do you not know this? Do you do this when you play? Geez, if I did that at my club, I'd expect a stink bomb in my locker.

before Sam had a chance to play the ball. Hindrance.

The video plus the chair's statement " when you called out she went after the ball she touched the ball" does not support your comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XGFBP22EMM&NR=1

Sahyder..... she did not threaten the ump as you stated in your missive and she did not take Stouser's spotlight either.... You can't take something away that the person never had.... imo.

The media spotlight whomever they chose... and it is usually the person with the more interesting story or whatev good or bad.

Mentioning Serena's name in an article is usually going to get that article read... and you know it. So what is your beef... the fact that Serena was the more interesting of the two? LOL

Let's face facts... if Stouser and another player were in the final the viewership would have fallen like in the past.... It is all about selling seats, magazines, commercial time, tennis gear etc, including the ratings and no one pulls the ratings like Ms Williams imo and by the publications...

The only other person who pulls the ratings close to the Williams sisters is Sharapova to some extent..... and it is off the wall when it is a Serena V Sharapova match. LOL

The ref/ump what ev was wrong..... if it was hinderance then the point should have been replayed... but at the USOpen that is not the way things are done when it comes to Serena....

The USOpen made it about Serena when they decided to seed her at #28 where they have discretion in the seeding....and could have done like Wimbledon if they wanted to.

The talking heads were putting forth for days about the low seeding which caused some matches that would have been of semi or final quality to be played earlier in the tournament.

Seeing that Serena won the whatev contest that was going on this past summer before the Open she won an additional 500 thousand dollars... that is extra.... if she had won the final she would have received 1 million dollars extra over the USOpen purse.

Do you really think that the USOpen want to totally get rid of their golden goose? LOL Let's face it ... the fans either come to see her win or see her lose.... but they come and the USOpen makes money on the tickets, tv rights and the ratings which helps to determine the cost of commercial time for the networks who show the these matches...etc... LOL Hey we are capitalists after all... aren't we? LOL

Do you really think that the USOpen and the USTA etc really really mind all the so-called Serena machinations/dramedy, trumped up or real? Heck no.... LOL Conflict brings higher viewership... no wonder there is always this thing about this player or team that is in a grudge fest against this other player or team blah blah blah....

These entities/PTB walk a fine line in what they do... fine etc the person too much about their actions on the court or field and after a while there is no real competition or competitiors left, only boring, staid, unemotional matches that no one want to watch imo....

The USTA, the WTA etc are seriously trying to grow their sport and keep it in the spotlight... the one person... no matter how polerizing or because she is so polerizing that brings the fans and casual viewers in, in the USA as everybody takes sides... is Serena..... LOL

How many Americans are in the top 10 or top 20 or even lower and winning slam events these past 10 plus years? Serena and Venus only ..... 'nuff said.

Think people want to watch people compete yet not win, to just watch players compete for the love of the sport? Only the diehard tennis fans do perhaps....

In this day and age seeing that the USOpen is not exactly a tourist destination/attraction like Wimbledon or sports mad like the peoples of Melbourne and with all the various sports that are being presented on the telly, vieing for attention, viewership and ratings, these tennis officials are simply overjoyed when there is some conflict to get the fans juices going that may increase their ratings and viewership by pulling in the casual viewers imo.

Seems like viewership in sports are falling.... the President's speech pulled in more viewership than the first football game of the season.... imagine that...who would have thunk it... LOL

By the way this is PROFESSIONAL TENNIS not country club tennis. At this level... you better bring it... especially when there are over a couple hundred players wanting to be noticed or be the next breakout player... get the Slam win... so they can be in the history books...

Think Stouser is not happy that she won AGAINST SERENA IN PARTICULAR? LOL

She now has some serious bragging rights... considering that Serena has won the Aussie Open 5 times.... Has Stouser done that in her own country? Do you realize that this slam win is her first after all these years.... and better yet there was some conflict? She was probably saying... bring on the conflict.... win or lose no one is going to forget this final... LOL Endorsement time... big monies.... wow... LOL

Wait until she gets home.... big time celibrations just like what was done for Djok and no doubt Li Na(?). She will be celebrated by her fellow Aussies.. unlike in the USA where many tennis fans have NEVER celebrated Serena or Venus all these years with all the slams they have won between them whether at singles or at doubles and at the Olympics. Everybody else but not them.....

Hope Fish wins one soon..perhaps the USA fans will rally around him... till they turn on him like they do to Roddick. LOL

Anyway.... where is Oudin? Thought she was the next best hope for the country club elites....

Justina, it seems that the reason you deleted your missive is because you could not take the heat with regards your rather ignorant racist rant including referring to Serena as hoi polloi and keeping 'those' people out of this sport etc. LOL

You deleted your post because you know that by doing so would also delete the replies to your missive..... in which you were encouraged by another poster to put away your 'hood' or sheet... wink, wink.... LOL

Why am I not surprised that there are folks who think that they can dish their ignorance on Newsvine and other message boards, but when what they have stated is taken apart they delete the message. LOL

So let me post a small portion of my answer to one of your post... which was within #8 and in which you deleted all the messages.

Justina, #8.., sigh... Jealous huh.... LOL Pretending to be a member of the landed gentry/aristocracy are you huh.... LOL Well even if you are, were, imagine, wish, long for, want to go back to etc.... sorry... you are in the wrong country, in the wrong century.........

There was more to my missive but unfortunately cannot be accessed..